Perception and Physics

[Janis Jabar]

Here is the most interesting journal you will find on the science of
perception.

Janis Jabar




http://www.borderlands.com/journal/2004/tabcont2004.html

http://www.borderlands.com/journal/sub.htm


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[tadchem]

Post by Janis Jabar
Here is the most interesting journal you will find on the science of
perception.
Janis Jabar
http://www.borderlands.com/journal/2004/tabcont2004.html
http://www.borderlands.com/journal/sub.htm
The Journal of Borderland Research is $30.00 annually.

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ROFL

Wait! You guys are *serious*, aren't you?

ROFLMAO


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

[Janis Jabar]

Post by tadchem

Post by Janis Jabar
Here is the most interesting journal you will find on the science of
perception.
Janis Jabar
http://www.borderlands.com/journal/2004/tabcont2004.html
http://www.borderlands.com/journal/sub.htm
The Journal of Borderland Research is $30.00 annually.

Professional Dowsing Tools
Mermet pendulum?.$25.00
Perfect for Physical Radiesthesia; Classic French design includes a
screw top well for a witness.
Brass pendulum?..$8.00
A small diamagnetic pendulum; comes on short brass chain
Cameron Aura-meter?.$125.00
Vern Cameron, BSRA designed and perfected this wand style instrument.
Cameron had some far reaching effects with his observations.
L-Rods???..$20.00
Iron rods with Gray handles.
Vitic rods???$49.95
The use of Vitic Rods to assist in dowsing sensitivity is one of the
research projects Vern Cameron and Meade Layne collaborated on in the
1950's.
ROFL
Wait! You guys are *serious*, aren't you?
ROFLMAO
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

There is humor involved, but the human nervous ststem is more dynamic
than you might think. Most likey if your Paleolithic ancestor had not
used a form of Physical Radiesthesia to hunt you would not be here to
roll around on the floor in smug delight.

Janis Jaberjaw

[tadchem]

"Janis Jabar" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...

<snip>

Post by Janis Jabar
There is humor involved, but the human nervous ststem is more dynamic
than you might think. Most likey if your Paleolithic ancestor had not
used a form of Physical Radiesthesia to hunt you would not be here to
roll around on the floor in smug delight.

'Radiesthesia' violates the principle of Ockham's Razor.

The real effects attributed to Radiesthesia can be attributed to the
manipulation of attention to normal senses, a skill often acquired by people
who have regularly practiced a physical discipline - be it Zen meditation,
Tai Chi, or Greco-Roman Wrestling.

The senses are *always* alert to the subtlest clues - hearing, for example,
can detect periodic pressure changes in the air that amount to displacing
air molecules by less than their own diameter. The disciplined mind trains
itself to disregard 'normal' stimuli before they reach conscious awareness,
and to file the data directly in memory without a conscious thought.
Afterwards these memories can be accessed if necessary.

I am often able to find things that I have never consciously noticed because
I *have* seen them and remember where they are, even if they have
subsequently become concealed (as I did earlier this evening with my son's
bag of gaming dice).

I sit here in "silence" until I turn my attention to the ordinary sounds I
am hearing, all simultaneously - the heater blowing, the hard drive bearing
spinning, the motor turning the gel for the Christmas tree lights, the
occasional squeak of my well-oiled chair, and even the rare motor vehicle on
the main road 400 meters away. These sounds I hear regularly, and I can
selectively ignore them.

I can disregard *all* of those with less than a thought, simply by turning
my attention to my keyboard and my words, but they are still there if I need
them.

Sounds I *don't* hear regularly I can't pre-set my mind to ignore. Should an
out-of-the-ordinary sound arise (as the browsing of the deer did yesterday)
I can turn my attention to it in an instant, even if I can't quite
*consciously* hear it. Even when a stealthy creature such as a deer moves
without making an audible sound, it *reflects* sound, and subtly alters the
characteristics of the ambient sound. This is a passive form of the
echo-location used by marine mammals, bats and blind humans. Next time you
are walking down a street and see yourself about to pass a wall, a bush, a
parked car, try this experiment: close your eyes as you walk and try to
tell when you have reached the object by the changes in the sound.

This is your radiesthesia - selection of attention to highly sensitive
sensory stimuli and their interaction with memory. We all have it, but it is
so subtle we often overlook it an have to concoct ad hoc rationalizations
for its observable effects, sometimes by hypothesizing something that does
not stand up to empirical scrutiny.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

[Morituri-Max]

Post by Janis Jabar
There is humor involved, but the human nervous ststem is more dynamic
than you might think. Most likey if your Paleolithic ancestor had not
used a form of Physical Radiesthesia to hunt you would not be here to
roll around on the floor in smug delight.

How do you know his paleolithic ancestor didn't hunt just like we do, with a
30-30 and a treestand?

[Mark Fergerson]

Post by Janis Jabar
Here is the most interesting journal you will find on the science of
perception.

I perceive a large proportion of bullshit at confiscatory
prices.

Several decades ago I read and replicated Hieronymus'
infamous patent because I'd replicated his seed-sprouting
in-the-dark experiment, which worked as advertised,
surprising the hell out of me.

His patent described an apparatus based on an
extrapolation of the "eloptic" principle he thought the seed
experiment revealed. I simply couldn't get the machine to
work as advertised; no "stick" at all, and yes, I replicated
it _exactly_ and even tried many variations.

Mind you I _wanted_ it to work, but no dice. Please don't
go on about "individual sensitivity". Nobody else I roped
into it could get it to work either, regardless of their
education or other preconceptions. Maybe we just weren't
adequately drunk/stoned/stupid.

Mark L. Fergerson

[RK101]

And I can't get the guitar to make any sounds that sound like music,
even when I play the chords in the right order.

It must be a trick on TV...

It takes years to be able to do Radionics.

If you think you can operate a Radioninc instrument before you can even
dowse for a gold coin you are mis-informed as to the general
principles.

Borderlands is a non-profit educational organization and they do not
sell Radionic devices or make claims that just anyone can operate one.

The advances in neuroscience are going to show that all these ideas on
the Borderlands of Science will be borne out.
You can laugh but you will not laugh last...

RK101

[tadchem]

"RK101" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

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Post by RK101
The advances in neuroscience are going to show that all these ideas on
the Borderlands of Science will be borne out.

The important phrase here is "is going to show."

Inter caesa et porrecta - ("There's many a slip twixt cup and lip") -
Proverb

These ideas have not yet been empirically validated in controlled tests, and
they have been around and 'tested' for millenia. I think the validity of
these ideas can be demonstrated by a census of the number of divines still
using animal entrails.

Post by RK101
You can laugh but you will not laugh last...

He who laughs last has probably finally found a straight jacket that fits.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

[Mark Fergerson]

Post by RK101
And I can't get the guitar to make any sounds that sound like music,
even when I play the chords in the right order.

Yeah, well I play a mean CD...

Post by RK101
It must be a trick on TV...
It takes years to be able to do Radionics.

Yeah, sure. What's the specific factor(s) that requires
time to get "just right"?

Post by RK101
If you think you can operate a Radioninc instrument before you can even
dowse for a gold coin you are mis-informed as to the general
principles.

Purest bullshit. Have you read Hieronymus' patent? It's
extremely clear; no "training", no classes, no guru
required. It simply didn't work as described. The seed
experiment shows _something_ strange happening, but his
extrapolation off into eloptic-land is simply not right.

Post by RK101
Borderlands is a non-profit educational organization and they do not
sell Radionic devices or make claims that just anyone can operate one.
The advances in neuroscience are going to show that all these ideas on
the Borderlands of Science will be borne out.

You want something interesting in _real_ cutting-edge
neuroscience? Try Flanagan's Neurophone.

Post by RK101
You can laugh but you will not laugh last...

I'm not laughing about anything. Radionics is a huge
disappointment not helped by the large proportion of con
artists in the field. If it's objectively real, describing
the technique so that anyone can develop the skill should be
straightforward. If it's a matter of individual
biologically-influenced "talent", it should be equally
easily demonstrable what the relevant physical attribute(s)
is/are.

Dump the silly-assed mysticism and superior attitude; do
some science.

Mark L. Fergerson

[tadchem]

Post by Mark Fergerson

Post by RK101
And I can't get the guitar to make any sounds that sound like music,
even when I play the chords in the right order.

Yeah, well I play a mean CD...

Post by RK101
It must be a trick on TV...
It takes years to be able to do Radionics.

Yeah, sure. What's the specific factor(s) that requires
time to get "just right"?

Selective memory. It takes time to forget the 99+% failures and recall only
a few apparent successes.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

[Chris Titan]

Post by Mark Fergerson

Post by RK101
If you think you can operate a Radioninc instrument before you can even
dowse for a gold coin you are mis-informed as to the general
principles.

Purest bullshit. Have you read Hieronymus' patent? It's
extremely clear; no "training", no classes, no guru
required. It simply didn't work as described. The seed
experiment shows _something_ strange happening, but his
extrapolation off into eloptic-land is simply not right.

Hieronymus is not the only name in Radionincs.

Serious Radonics is for medically trained persons.

Post by Mark Fergerson

Post by RK101
You can laugh but you will not laugh last...

I'm not laughing about anything. Radionics is a huge
disappointment not helped by the large proportion of con
artists in the field.

I agree, most practioners are frauds.

If it's objectively real, describing

Post by Mark Fergerson
the technique so that anyone can develop the skill should be
straightforward. If it's a matter of individual
biologically-influenced "talent", it should be equally
easily demonstrable what the relevant physical attribute(s)
is/are.

These factors are being isolated.

Chris Titan

[Maleki]

Post by Mark Fergerson

Post by Janis Jabar
Here is the most interesting journal you will find on the science of
perception.

I perceive a large proportion of bullshit at confiscatory
prices.
Several decades ago I read and replicated Hieronymus'
infamous patent because I'd replicated his seed-sprouting
in-the-dark experiment, which worked as advertised,
surprising the hell out of me.
His patent described an apparatus based on an
extrapolation of the "eloptic" principle he thought the seed
experiment revealed. I simply couldn't get the machine to
work as advertised; no "stick" at all, and yes, I replicated
it _exactly_ and even tried many variations.
Mind you I _wanted_ it to work, but no dice. Please don't
go on about "individual sensitivity". Nobody else I roped
into it could get it to work either, regardless of their
education or other preconceptions. Maybe we just weren't
adequately drunk/stoned/stupid.
Mark L. Fergerson

There's a strange and deeply rooted human need to go against
impossibilities, using a limited bag of tools.

[Mark Fergerson]

Maleki wrote:

<about my radionics experiences>

Post by Maleki
There's a strange and deeply rooted human need to go against
impossibilities, using a limited bag of tools.

Yes, and a good thing too, otherwise we'd all still be living in
trees/caves.

I think it has to do with the perception of limits; some are real,
and some illusory. The fun part is determining which is which. That
helps us understand _our_ limits.

Mark L. Fergerson